Episode 738

Understanding The Power of WHY to Dig Deeper into The WHAT From Transactional Data (#738)

Published on: 20th January, 2026

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Brandon de Kock is Director of Storytelling for WhyFive Insights, South Africa. At the South African Loyalty Awards 2025, he was recognised at the most influential personality in the industry, with his late-business partner, Stuart Lowe.

They produce a comprehensive view of the South African consumer class which represents 85% of consumer spend, called the BrandMapp study. He

Deeply understands the power of research to help brands understand ‘why' consumers behave in certain ways which adds more insightful direction to the transactional data insight which typically reveals the ‘what’ about consumer spending. This episode is a must watch 45 minutes to understand consumer behaviour in loyalty programmes.

This episode is available in audio format on our Let's Talk Loyalty podcast and in video format on www.Loyalty.TV.

Hosted by Amanda Cromhout

Show Notes:

1) Brandon de Kock

2) WhyFive Insights

3) Book recommendation: The Far Side - Gallery 5

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Paula Thomas is the Founder and CEO of Let’s Talk Loyalty and Loyalty TV.

Paula Thomas is an award-winning podcaster who founded the “Let’s Talk Loyalty” podcast and business in 2019, and Loyalty TV in 2023.

She has over twenty-five years blue-chip marketing experience, including almost a decade leading consumer loyalty programmes in multiple sectors including telecommunications, the energy sector, banking and airline loyalty programmes.

She is from Ireland and lives in Dubai.

Paula is a former judge for the “International Loyalty Awards”, and the author of the book “Driving Loyalty in Convenience Retail”.

She holds an Executive MBA from Smurfit Business College, one of Ireland’s top universities, and is a “Certified Loyalty Marketing Professional”.

In 2025, she was chosen as the International Loyalty Industry Personality of the Year.